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My BIC Dufour Wing and How I started Windsurfing


Hello:


This is/was my first entry on this blogger website. {and is STILL the MOST popular post !!!}
I used to keep an electronic journal of my windsurfing and my "kids" suggested I blog it as well.

First I will give a little history and then go into a discussion about and give credit where it is due -- to the Dufour.
 

I grew up near Lake Simcoe, just north of Toronto in Ontario. Most people, who knew or know me, are not sure I ever grew up :-) This lake is supposed to be the largest inland lake in the province. I have fond memories of walking to the beaches, swimming, fishing in the summer, ice fishing, watching ice break up and falling through the ice. We spent time on many boats, but never on a sailboat. Ironically, when windsurfing became popular - early eighties, I was off at school/University of Guelph  and my parents had moved to Montreal.
 

Around 1988 I spent a long weekend on a large wooden sailboat in the Thousand Islands with my boss and his secretary, who is now my wife. This weekend made me wish I could one day afford and own a sailboat of my own. You probably have an idea , as I did later, just how much money this actually requires !! So, that remained a dream and NOT a vision ...

I was always the big guy with the van. Whenever anyone in the families needed something moved, they were sure to call me. About six (6) years later , around 1994 or 1995, my Unca Freddie called and told me the neighbours of Auntie Laura had an old windsurfer they no longer wanted. Freddie asked if I was "interested". I told him I would be there in about 10 minutes - obviously he lived about 15 or 20 minutes away :-)

At that time I knew VERY little about windsurfing and probably nothing about the equipment itself. My mission was to get the stuff and bring it up to "the country", where the chalets were. The extended family had about three (3) chalets all on the same lake, which is about one mile long and a quarter mile wide...

One weekend the whole family tried the windsurfer up at the chalet :-) It was a fine sunny weekend afternoon with a slight breeze. We had NO idea what we were doing, butt we had two (2) engineers in our midst. Yeah, like that was gonna help :-) Some things were obvious like the centre-board and the mast foot going into one of the two (2) holes in the middle of the board.  Those of you in the know, know the boom goes on a special way and the stuff actually included a special cord to perform this properly, butt again, what did we know ? We tied the boom on best as we could and people had turns giving it a go ...

Unca Freddie did well going and was wondering why i was laughing  so much
"Hey Freddie. See ya :-)"
      "HELP"
Well, that was the first tow back to shore with the rowboat and definitely NOT the last.



The equipment had the name BIC on the board and I believe the sail actually had a Niel Pryde/NP marking {double checked - yup - it has a NP logo on the sail}. The bottom of the board has a boat-like hull, not at all like the modern boards of today, which are flat with minor shaping underneath. Although boards like the Serenity and others are changing the ideas of current shapes.  

Currently there actually seems to be a movement back to long-boards. The term long-board seems to imply length obviously, but for many years it also implied a centre-board. Once again, people like Tinho Dornellas in Florida are changing that concept as well. He is building a custom board very much like the AHD ZEN and others, butt without the centre-board. See here for info on Tinho's custom board.

In those days there was less on the internet, forums, no blogs, etc to help me figure out what the heck we had. Eventually I figured out this was a BIC Dufour Wing - all stock equipment. (Actually Dufour Wing is written on the board too )

here's a shot of me on the lake with the original equipment :-) 
  

Windsurfing was done on weekends and family members started to lose interest as it required practice and work. One weekend Philippe, a family friend, showed us how he attaches the boom tighter - still NOT the correct way - and how he did a beach start. Wind was great for that setup and my level of experience and so, I really overdid it. The next day at work I had chest pains to the point I thought I was having a heart attack. The company nurse laughed at me and was surprised I was using codeine. She did not know we could get this over the counter - only 8 mg per pill. Went home early and had my wife laugh at me too. Went to the doctor and the doctor said," no more monkees ..." Sorry, could not resist. She said it was muscles and gave me muscle relaxants.. That was how I discovered that windsurfing was lots of fun and yet one needed to be in shape and/or have good technique... 

One weekend I managed to break the rubber on the mast foot, which some seem to call the universal joint. For those who do not know, this is the part that allows one to move the sail in any direction and steer the board. Obviously without it, the sail is NOT connected to the board. I had to swim in about half a mile dragging the stuff behind me. Lesson number one: Check your equipment before going out AND do NOT go out with any questionable equipment !!

My brother-in-law and I drove into the nearest town to find a replacement part. There were not many sports shops, so, we went to Sports Experts. {Notice how they managed to put sex in the middle of that name !!} A girl there sent us to a furniture shop. She smiled when we looked confused. She explained the shop owner was an avid windsurfer and sold equipment from the basement. When I presented the shop owner with the broken rubber, he seemed to be in thought. I asked him if everything was all right. He explained that he always had those parts in his truck, but not that day. He would gladly deliver one on Sunday to the chalet, which was about 20 minutes away !! He did deliver the part the next day in the rain and explained that the mystery cord was used to attach the boom to the mast. My wife told him that it was a yucky day to be on the water. In true windsurfer style he smiled and said," Butt it is windy !" :-)
The trick was to align the boom parallel to the mast, attach the cord through the boom head and around the mast. Then swing the boom around to the normal placement. Voilà, now the boom was really tight to the mast ! The mast is obviously the "pole" that holds the sail up and the boom is where the windsurfer holds onto...One day the special cord broke; one of the two (2) plastic holding "balls" came off - guess it was too tight. Made a new cord with another nylon rope tied off at the correct length {after many experiments}.
Yes, there is a lot of terminology in windsurfing...

Here is a document showing the replacement cord and how to attach the boom to the mast with such a setup. Clamp on booms are just so much more practical !!

https://skydrive.live.com/embed?cid=C6DB8ADE6B0C768C&resid=C6DB8ADE6B0C768C!445&authkey=ABus7vnum_wKllU&em=2


Just in case, here is a pic of a windsurf board aka sailboard with its parts - in its simplest form :-)  

 
I think that's enough chatter and now it is time to review the actual BIC Dufour :-) 
Bic Sport, leaders in water sports (as per BIC)

"Established in 1979, Bic Sport has been dedicated to the sea and water sports right from the start. It all began in Brittany, France just a few kilometres from the Atlantic Ocean, our origins are in windsurfing, having acquired a strong reputation all over the planet, Bic Sport has diversified into the other water sports such as surfing, kayaking and kitesurfing over the past 10-years."

From wikipedia under windsurfing: "In 1979, Schweitzer licensed Brittany, France-based company Dufour Wing, which was later merged with Tabur Marine - the precursor of Bic Sport.[9] Europe was now the largest growing market for windsurfers, and the sub-licensed companies - Tabur, F2, Mistral - wanted to find a way to remove or reduce their royalty payments to Windsurfing International."

The symbol at the left seems to have been the Dufour logo. Some people feel it looks like an old man or an old row boat from the Viking times ...

 
At the left is another logo that seems linked to the BIC Dufour Wing as well. I have NO idea or further information about this logo at this time ...
{just saw a similar logo used with the BIC Beach}

"In the early 80s, more than 186,000 boards were manufactured at Dufour Wing as the factory was called before becoming Bic Sport, with such production numbers we quickly took the lead as the world’s largest producer of windsurfing equipment with an annual production of 15,000 boards in those early days."

1979 | Conté®, French pencils and felt pens, is acquired. BIC acquires boat manufacturer, Tabur Marine, which becomes BIC Marine.     
1981 |  BIC Marine launches the Dufour Wing windsurf board.
1985 | BIC launches its BIC® Mini lighter.  BIC Marine becomes BIC Sport.

One way to tell if your board is a Bic Wing or an original DuFour Wing is to look at the seam around the edge of the board. DuFours had a black seam and Bic had a red seam. My board with the red trim is a BIC Wing. This BIC Wing  is not my board and does not have the old man logo on the sail.



So, what are the specs of these babies ?

Built around 1981
Volume 200 liters or cc
Length 378 cm or 12 feet 5 inches
Width 68 cm or 26.8 inches
Weight 21 kilos or 46.2 lbs !!!
came with stock 6.3 sq m sail - mini-battens
extremely long tie-on boom
small back fin
large centre-board that does NOT fully retract

The first thing one discovers about this "kit" is the sail and boom are really NOT manageable. One fellow called it a sac of potatoes ... Later longboards also had fully retractable centre-boards...

My evaluation and experiences with this classique: The deck is quite slippery. If one is not wearing booties of some sort, one is bound to slip and fall. This can be painful at "high" speeds. This is how people develop the bad habit of placing one foot against the base of the mast and then spreading their legs depending on the speed and wind forces. It is also a byproduct of the fact that there are NO footstraps. Later I applied some anti-slip to the deck. { I read somewhere that Chris Thompson won a race or races on a Ken Winner board, which was a Dufour with footstraps !!}

The fin at the back is quite small and plastic. I have done experiments where I tried to sail without the dagger-board (since it is NOT fully retractable). This did NOT work at all. The dagger-board is quite large, as seen above. In lighter winds it is best completely descended or down. This also applies when you really want to get upwind. I generally tend to run the dagger-board at the half-way mark i.e. at about 45 degrees to the board and water surface. This seems to work well in some situations and okay in others i.e. the best all-round solution. Also, it is already half-way to either extremity :-)

There are two(2) "holes" or mast-base receptacles on the desk. Some say the back is for lighter winds and the front for heavier winds. I tend to run it in the front "hole" since the plastic pins are broken and I now use metal cauter pins. Also, like to push the board and go in "heavier" winds.

The original sail SUCKS as does the boom. The boom is too long and is NOT clamp-on. The sail has no battens, just some tiny half-battens. The first thing I did with this board as an improvement was to get better sails. Even the old-timers that raced the boards said other sails were 100 times better !! Now I use a MauiSails Pursuit 8.5 with no cams. I rig it loose in the sense that the leech at the top is fairly tight. This is how the older sails were and the SailWorks Hucker now is. Some longboard forums are good for recommending sails to use with older longboards. The new sails do NOT have the same centre of effort, etc. I try not to get into too much technical detail. Just to say newer sails donut work as well with the older boards.

Last summer my bro-in-law was working in the basement of the chalet. He thought he heard a train coming and realized where he was. He looked out the garage door facing the lake and there I was flying, approaching the chalet with by Dufour and the MS Pursuit 8.5 :-) Both of us wished he had had a camera of some sort that day !!

This summer in 2011 I intend to try this combination on the St-Lawrence River in the lighter winds of 5 to 12 knots. After that I will jump on my shortboard. Hope to share my experiences of the BIC in bigger waters here :-)
 

Here's some early adverts:



 
Hope you donut mind, slipped an old Windsurfer ad in - Just Do It - sound familiar.

As noted, the sail had no full battens or cams, which lock the sail into shape. The one good thing about the sail was, one could roll it onto the mast and store them together. 


 One fellow on the forum said of racing with BIC Dufours in the day:

For this race, the Dufour boards were as light as possible (18 to 19 kgs instead of the standard 21/22 kgs), and to improve the performance in the sea conditions (3 to 6 feet waves) the boards had more scoop and lift obtained by two cuts, side to side of the deck just in rear of the daggerboard hole.


These two cuts were strongly stiched and glued, leaving two scars on the deck...
 

This gain in rear lift had also the effect to reduce the break effect due of the lack of rigidity of that ABS construction...
 

The only other improvement of these competition boards was a specific fiber or wood daggerboard, and of course the best rigs and sails available.
 
No one, in any team, had the idea to work on the skegs...big mistake!
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In about 2002 I purchased an F2 Comet 330 with 2 sails. The idea was to try a more flat bottom board, but it also was about getting fully battened sails. Around here I started doing experiments with the harness as well. I thought I had found a trick where I would lean on the mast when I fell in the water hooked in - until I busted a mast. These masts were epoxy and fibre- glass and not the carbon masts of today. I still use the old replacement epoxy masts today. Also purchased a NP Warp speed 7.0 with 3 cams to get really going with the two (2) boards. Found the Comet unstable compared to the BIC and only use it in mid winds ie no schlogging.

Somewhere around 2003 I changed the original mast base to an F2. This was to better accommodate the more “modern” sails like my Niel Pryde  7.0 WARP. Yvan of AuVentFou says this sail is about 20 years old !!  In 2008 I purchased a full kit with Maui Sails Pursuit 8.5, 490 cm mast and new aluminum boom. Sometimes I think of sailing in light winds on a “longboard”. Well, the BIC Dufour Wing is a full blown longboard. So, I custom fit the F2 mast base so that it would fit into the “generalized” mast extension. It is pictured here. How will the BIC fare with the modern 2006 monofilm sail ? The board also needs some ant-skid Antideslizante work. Where the mast foot goes into the base, there are cracks that need fresh silicon yearly. Also, the red plastic clips are all broken, but one. Use a cauter pin on the other side. Just to show you, this board has had its full usage.




The board is still used today when I go up to the chalet in the summer. It is also used for teaching. It has been redecked with Chinook Re-Dek (which comes with a roller) and the hole I managed to punch with a catapault was fixed with Solar-EZ. This year, 2011, I plan to bring the board down to the city to use on the St. Lawrence River and perhaps even Maine in the ocean. It is a great longboard and I have been using it every year since we got it. AND it runs great with the 2006 MauiSails Pursuit 8.5 !!!


Needless to say, the BIC is mine :-)

- still find pictures on the web of the Dufour ..

http://www.windvisions.com/dufour.jpg
It seems even Micah Buzianis got started with a BIC Dufour Wing :-) 
{had an interview here showing that fact, but Micah is no longer with NP and as such that interview disappeared - need to cut n paste #$%^&*(}

Found this on the Peconic Puffin Blog:
                                                                             Classic Longboards:
                                                   Boards we wish we never sold,swapped,or forgot about.


  • Mistral Equipe <= have one of  these now too !!! Equipe I
  • Mistral Superlight
  • Lechner
  • Vassina 390
  • Fanatic Ultracat <= have one of  these now too !!!
  • Bic Dufour Wing
  • Windsurfer One Design
  • original Hi Tech 9'8"

Check long board forum for more discussions on longboards...
where they mention AHD Race, F2 Lightening, F2 380, MOD, Mistral Pan Am,

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found on Popular Science Magazine


Through the seventies, Schweitzer aggressively promoted and licensed the Windsurfing International design and licensed the patent to manufacturers worldwide, mainly through competition and the publication of a magazine.[8] As a result, the sport underwent very rapid growth, particularly in Europe after the sale of a sub-license sold to Ten Cate in Holland.[6]
At the same time, Schweitzer also sought to defend his patent rights vigorously against unauthorized manufacturers. This led to a host of predating windsurfer-like devices being presented to courts around the world by companies disputing Windsurfing International’s rights to the invention.[citation needed]

In 1979, Schweitzer licensed Brittany, France-based company Dufour Wing, which was later merged with Tabur Marine – the precursor of Bic Sport.[9] Europe was now the largest growing market for windsurfers, and the sub-licensed companies – Tabur, F2, Mistral – wanted to find a way to remove or reduce their royalty payments to Windsurfing International.

Tabur lawyers found prior art, in a local English newspaper which had published a story with a picture about Peter Chilvers, who as a young boy on Hayling Island on the south coast of England, assembled his first board combined with a sail, in 1958. This Board used a universal joint,one of key parts of the Windsurfing International patent. They also found stories published about the 1964 invention of the Darby Sailboard by Newman Darby in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.[10]

In Windsurfing International Inc. v Tabur Marine (GB) Ltd. 1985 RPC 59, with Tabur backed financially by French sailing fanatic Baron Marcel Bich, British courts recognized the prior art of Peter Chilvers. It did not incorporate the curved wishbone booms of the modern windsurfer, but rather a “straight boom” that became curved in use. The courts found that the Schweitzer windsurfer boom was “merely an obvious extension”. It is worthy of note that this court case set a significant precedent for patent law in the United Kingdom, in terms of inventive step and non-obviousness; the court upheld the defendant’s claim that the Schweitzer patent was invalid, based on film footage of Chilvers. Schweitzer then sued the company in Canada, where the opposition team again financially backed by Bic included Chilvers and Jim Drake, and Schweitzer lost again. After the cases, no longer obliged to pay Windsurfing International any royalty payments, the now renamed Bic Sport became the world’s largest producer of windsurfing equipment, with an annual production of 15,000 boards.[9]

In 1983, Schweitzer sued Swiss board manufacturer Mistral, which is today still a major sailboard manufacturer, and lost. Mistral’s defense hinged on the work of US inventor Newman Darby, who in the mid-sixties conceived the “sailboard”: a hand-held square rigged “kite” sail on a floating platform for recreational use. Darby’s published version did not show any connection between the rig and the board (the mast simply rested in a depression on the board) but it did refer to a “more complex swivel step for advanced riders not shown”. He published his “sailboard” design in August 1965 Popular Science magazine. Darby organized Darby Industries Inc in 1964 to build these sailboards.[11][12][13][14] However, the sailboard never gained popularity, and Darby’s company ceased operations by the end of the 1960s.

Eventually US courts recognized the Schweitzer windsurfer as an obvious step from Darby’s prior art.[15] Schweitzer had to reapply for a patent under severely limited terms, and finally it expired in 1987. Shortly thereafter, having lost its license royalty income, Windsurfing International ceased operations.[8]


I still wonder what would or could ever replace my Dufour ? Older longboards are difficult to find. Newer longboards seem all race oriented and $$$. Now there seems to the SUP, KONA and Serenity. Each one of these is slightly different and even they are $$$ new. There is a Serenity near Toronto that I may try this summer. There is a Kona race in Ottawa - also this summer - and they are selling them used out of Toronto. Locally there seems to be a SUP club, butt i donut know if it is purist ie SUP only or are they also doing windsurfing ? 

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There also seems to be some interest in the BIC Samba that I had. I will give the technical specs here and a personal evaluation - i.e. very subjective :-)


Built around 1992
Volume 170 liters or cc
Length 320 cm or 10 feet 6 inches
Width 64 cm or 25.2 inches
Weight 15 kilos or 33 lbs !!!
recommended sail: up to 7.4





Will see if I cannot get some pictures ...
The board was lighter than the BIC Dufour and flatter. When I received it, it had NO centre board. I purchase one that stuck out too much and as such traded it for a smaller one that still stuck out a little bit when inside the sleeve. The board still had proprietary mast foot and that was one reason why it went in the garbage. The other was - it became water - logged. When it was working fine, it was a very good board to learn on in terms of planing, going in bigger waters, etc. I used it as a teaching tool and people seemed to find it more stable than the Dufour. People used to call it the Shark cuz of it's black fin :-) I was gonna write some graffiti on it like ORCA or something even more menacing - perhaps Marilyn Manson ? :-) It was fun while it lasted and did cost me only $40 for the centre board ... For now I stick with the Dufour ...

Just saw an advert for a Mistral Equipe II - man would i love to have one o those $%^&*( Many people are suggesting the KONA as a follow-up to the Dufour !!

Also found this image on an ad in kijiji :-)


One of the the things I always wonder about is which modern sails work with older or even newer longboards like the Phantom from SB??
Read an article in Windsurfing Mag of June 2008 that suggested:

North Prisma - 2 camber sail
Aerotech dagger 7.4 & 9.0
Severne Glide 7.5 "with a punch of a 9.0"
NP V8 Helium - one size ??
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This post seems to be the most "popular" one on this website/blog. I find this a little surprising in that this is a board from over thirty (30) years ago !! Thought i would add some comments on what i do to ensure that it keeps "ticking" :-)

First i had some cracks around the mast base connector. This i tried to fix with silicone the first few times, butt that just came off with time. Now i use Solar-EZ.

Next the clips on the mast base connector broke. At first i just moved them from the least favourite mast base hole to the other. Obviously the clips broke there too. A fellow from Africa offered to send me some, butt that never came through %^&*( So, i analyzed how they worked and now use cauter pins - they cannot break - only get lost - so, i used to have a spare in the van - better check n make sure i still have it !!!


Somewhere i wrote about my misadventure of going too fast on the BIC and getting catapaulted.This put a "crack" in the trim that runs around the board. One again Solar-EZ came to the rescue. This stuff is kinda yucky stuff, butt it does do the job !!! It discolours also and i donut try to make it look beautiful. The board is a thing of function and the beauty is in its function :-)

My buddy who builds boats says next time he will give me a piece of fibreglass cloth. He says this ensures it cannot break AGAIN. My fix is good for water-proofing, butt NOT necessarily for added resistance !!


I also found the deck a little slippery. I had put some Chinook Re-Dek on , butt find it almost impossible to get a good picture to show it properly. One thing i noticed was, mold still forms on the section with the Re-Dek. This seems to imply that water get caught under the material and rots. Once again, this board is NOT meant to be a thing of beauty. I only wish my 2006 board looked less beat up than it does ie newer boards are MUCH more prone to plastic surgery - nose jobs are not uncommon :-(

Follow-up: the black mold has NOTHING to do with the ReDek. It is also forming on the centre board - i believe the issue is MORE cuz i now leave the board outside ALL summer long !!
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While monitoring the stats and hits on this webpage/blog, i noticed there seems to still be an interest in the F2 Comet - especially the F2 Comet 330. I will do a little write-up on this board - since i did some analysis and still actually have one in my possession.


I will put some excerpts  from some data that i collected and hopefully put some pics as well.

"In all, I count 9 different versions of F2 Comets between 1983 & 1994, all around the 330cm to 340cm (except for the Comet 315!) length!

Volumes ranged from 150 to 187, and constructions varied from ASA skin on PU core (1983) @ 17Kgs, thro' ASA on Polystyrene core (1984) 15Kgs, epoxy-carbon version (1986) 14.5Kgs, coming down to 14Kgs for the Epoxy Carbon Lite (ECL) version in '91. Comet Slalom 315 came out in '93 as did the Comet Slalom 340.

Sensible sails would be in the range 5.0m to 7.0m. Usable sails would be 3.5m to 7.5 at an uncomfortable push. These older boards are less sail sensitive than newer ones. Trouble is, with the mast track so far forward on the board, they tend not to work too well with more modern sails (ie less than around 4 years old). This is because the newer sails pull from further forward & this, combined with the forward mast track and low nose lift, will tend to make the nose bury in chop & waves, & make it slow to plane as it's pushing a whole lot of waterline length into the water.



Board                            Len    Vol   Approx year
Comet Slalom               310    157 l.   1989
Comet Slalom               315    149 l.   1992 - 1995
Comet Slalom ECL      315    149 l.   1993 - 1995 (lightweight vers)
Comet                          330    170 l.   1994
Comet Slalom              340    187 l.   1993 - 1995?

I think there were one or two other versions prior to 1989 but I haven't got those cataloged yet. I think the Pro-Lite (if the same as the
Sunsets) would have been the heavier, more robust version compared with the ECL (like Fanatic Ultra vs Pure) and was probably produced 1993/4.

All Comets had a good reputation. Enjoy!

Martin Farrimond
K-62"

"In the early 1980s Peter Brockhaus left Mistral and founded F2 Windsurfing. With pro and designer Jürgen Höhnscheid, he introduced the funboard to the world. These were revolutionary windsurfing boards that solved many of the handling problems of existing boards; boards that were stable at high speed, could function in very low winds, could foot steer and jump but still had the necessary volume. f2 sunset slalom All the first models, the Starlit, Sunset, Bullit, Comet and Strato were his designs, and all were planning hulls. The Sunset Slalom retains the record as the longest-serving board design - in production (and popular) for over a decade. "

I have sailed the Comet in the past, both with an old F2 sail and with modern rigs. It gave me the impression that new sails don't fit it that much, they felt like pulling from the wrong point. From a beginner's point of view, it's a bit wobbly as well.  On the other hand it's pretty fast when not planing, especially if you are relatively light. No need to mention upwind, the thing has a daggerboard!”



This F2 mastfoot pin fits 1985 F2 boards with adjustable mast tracks.










In terms of my board ...
F2 Comet ProLite as written on the board

25.5 inches / 64.8 cm ~ 65 cm @ the half way mark and 25.75 / 65.5 cm @ the widest point
possibility of 3 fins !!
129 inches long = 12 feet 9 inches
balance is near half way mark
has a cut out tail
supposed to be about 11.8 kg – seems high, saw 12.8 , but also saw 14 kg !!! on web
so, somewhere between 12 and 14 kg 26.4 and 30.8 lbs – this still seems high
  => AHD is about 22 lbs
1989-1994 ??

129 inches long = 12 feet 9 inches = 327.66 cm which is close enough to 330 cm
which would be an F2 Comet 330 with 170 liters of float – was sold as 160 litres
this model was around 1994 , as was the ProLite version



For my weight of 215 lbs or about 97 kilos this board goes best with an older 7.0 sail. I donut have a 7.5 or 8.0 to see if they are appropriate, but my newer 8.5 did not go well with the board and felt like it was too large for the board and very small fin in the back ...

The F2 Strato is a longer board and larger board, butt looks just like the Comet. I like this pic and pics cuz it has the Kona One beside it !!
 
















My Comet has been repaired and has a "new" fin at the back. I will take some fresh pics n publish them here .. 

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TUE 05JUL2011 - went to look at a Mistral Superlight - to see if it could replace my Kona One desire. Non. It was flatter, bigger and lighter than my BIC Dufour, but the shape was not really what i was looking for. The back fin had been changed, the enamel was chipping and i did not like how the mast base holes looked. Will wait for the Kona.

11SEPT11 - Today was a day in history for me. I tossed out the original BIC Dufour sail and boom. It has NOT been used for years, will not be sold , sucks 4 bananas AND i will shirley not take some pics for history. Sorry BIC, it is gone - and not with the wind...   
Actually it was also the 10 year commemoration of 911 and the attack against the Twin Towers in NYC :(

24SEPT2011 - another day in history. I always enjoyed the BIC Dufour, butt always felt it lacked something in performance. On this day I purchased a Fanatic Ultra Cat which was NOT considered a race longboard, but still quite a good performer and VERY capable of planing. Also, since it is heavier, it does NOT bounce off the waves like the AHD or other wide boards. Thus, the BIC will stay in the country and the CAT will be my new go to board. It is a lovely combo with my new MS-2 8-oh. On a later date, I almost planed right across Lake of Two Mountains which looks like about 6 km across. With the AHD i was never comfortable enough to attempt this. After the CAT run, i had enough confidence to almost attempt the same thing with the AHD. The BIC will stay in the country for newbies and my middle son Jerry, who is now nineteen ...

So, forget the KONA and save lotsa $$$ and still have lotsa FUN !!! 
especially in the lite winds
btw this seems to be the MOST popular post on this BLOG !!!!  

The CAT was good, butt when i tried to repair it, i had issues and so ...

TUE 03JULY2012 - could NOT stop myself and purchased a semi-Formula - BIC Techno Formula with a True Ames weed fin of 23 inches/58 cm !!! This has become my light wind kit with the TR-4 10-oh race sail. It goes well once winds are over 10 mph. Definitely planes in 12 knots and people are suggesting i pump in lighter winds to plane even earlier ...

Ironically I am following boards historically. First the Dufour, then the CAT and the BIC Techno Formula after. Now the CAT stays up at the country/chalet for me. Just need  to bring the sail stuff up.

Actually, the CAT is back in the yard in summer of 2013. When winds are too light for the semi-Formula, then they are still good for a longboard like the CAT and Dufour. And once again my 8.x sail has changed. In the winter i managed to rip my MS-2 and now purchased a TR-6 8.4 which is used with the CAT, Techno Formula and the AHD 160 short board. This seems to be my most used size and so far in 2013, the CAT has been my most used board. The semi-Formula is a far second behind ...

Does this mean Formula is next for me ??

In 2013, as mentioned, I have been out on the CAT so much, I look around to see what i would replace it with? The only production longboard that seem logical is the SB Phantom 320 ... People are saying they are not producing them any more, butt Remi Villa says that is not true. In any case, since i am always looking for older, used ones,  I often ask myself which ones are logical choices and why. This page has some of those answers, butt does not list all the longboards of days past. Perhaps that should be my next project ?? ie accumulate info on all the old longboards and how they compare... Sounds like a big adventure ... We'll see..

Since this is a popular post, i should post some videos - here is all i have for now - i WILL make a descriptive video next summer - going over the details of the board on video. For now here it is in some light winds:




And so ... I did make a descriptive video about the board itself.
The "faster" video has been attempted and a better one will appear SOON - I promise !!



In 2015 found another way to attach GoPro to the Bic Dufour Wing.
Imagine hole was meant for attaching rope for tethering.
Slid a bolt through and attached the tripod base onto the bolt.
Just need to test it now ...



Without the GoPro mount, the bolt is a danger to the sail !!!

After the above discussion and videos I brought the board and discovered the following seam had developed a LEAK. Not sure whether the leak was discovered before the trek home or after ...


And so , after some reading ... I drilled some holes in order to try and "air" the board out...



At first I put the board upside down as suggested on boardlady site and others and then upside right and tried to "wick" out the liquid. Then I started to investigate the "soft area". It was more than I thought and so marked it out - approximately ...



The area was obviously larger than hoped or anticipated and so ... I started to read about expandable foam , windsurf boards, etc. The boardlady uses some kind of marine urethane foam. Others write about a two(2) part foam. In any case, I started to wonder, is it worth the effort ?? Do I ditch the board ?? And do, thought let's cut it open and see what it is made of. If I am going to fiberglass the section, I should remove the top anyway ...


Well, surprise, surprise. The old boards did have the styrofoam centre and some more rigid outside with a harder shell - that does NOT look like fibre glass...

Was wondering whether I ditch the board, repair it and/or purchase another one. Part of the fun will be just to try the repair. Then if and when it is really needed, I will have done the amateur attempts already.

My buddy , Ed, who repaired my FUC board, made a great suggestion - once dry , just epoxy the cut-out back on and cover it all with fibre glass and low density filler. Little cost, effort, etc ...

Had read that the wet styrofoam turns yellow... Was unsure until i put the two(2) beside each other:


It seems quite dry now - opening it up definitely helped... Now to get all the required materials ...

Happened to see this one on kijiji same summer of 2015: Dufour Course ?? with foot straps and adjustable track ?? whoda thunk ??


In  2016 buddy in Ontario was selling this model of the BIC 200S:
straps, but NO centreboard


thrusters and option to attach fin in centre ?


In 2017 I purchased one from Longeuil, South Shore - without the thrusters - like in this photo. Will probably sell all my Dufours and test this one ...

The same year when I first saw the BIC Slalom , 2016,  I sold most of my older stuff - Mistral Equipe I, Fanatic Ultra CAT , etc. I was supposed to fix the busted BIC Dufour and was figuring it would cost me a bit and take some time. I found another one on kijiji for $50 and picked it up. It is quite dirty, but seems robust and water ready. The back flimsy fin  is bent and will be traded out with my original board's.

Maybe now I will be able to make a higher speed video with the board

The dirt was permanent stains which I tried to wash off and cover with white primer, but that did not work. Since I had a can of grey primer, I tried that. And so , it will have the look of a beached whale when not in use :-)


and finally got a decent video of the board in action - music was not added yet at time of embedding



The next day I read about mast extensions in the WindSurfing NOW magazine and suddenly had the flash to exchange the cleat on the BIC mastbase !!


Tried it that day and LOVED it !!

Same video with a bit o' music :



The BAD news is ...
I was hoping to have a FULL kit up at the in-law/out-law chalet/cottage. However, had MAJOR issues with the MS-2 and its battens even with the MS 490/75 mast. Did NOT like it at all and the first aid tape was NOT doing so well either. Was ready to leave my carbon HPL boom and a mast in the "country", but to NO avail.
Maybe I need to leave the TR-6 8.4 there ??
Will try that next time !!
btw the MS-2 is now on the garbage pile
loved that sail for a while, but not happy with how it died ...

Well, in 2017 I purchased a BIC SL200 and sold both my BIC Dufours and a mast base separately.

People use my pics all the time, but this time someone is selling a Mistral using my BIC pic ??


62 comments :

  1. hi, i´m new at the sport and guess what? i live in mexico and i had a lot of fun when i watched te pictures in this post, because i bought here that exactly board with the broken fin... so thats all, see you, how much its a new full freeride kit?? thanks

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  2. sorry to hear about the fin. they are difficult to replace, butt can be repaired with marine-tex IF not broken too badly.

    How much is a new full freeride kit? too $$$
    Even package deals these days cost $1200 to $1600.
    A new board alone can cost $1000 to $2200 and the sail with mast, boom, extension will be another $1000.

    I cannot afford new any more. My last used board was $300 with the bag, butt is a ten year old classic.

    I was looking at sails around 7.5 sq meters and found nothing under new under $600. Then I would still need a mast and they are around $400.

    Used is good if you are careful. You need to know what you want and be patient. do NOT buy too much old stuff unless you want to just play around in a lake. The latest is the greatest in the free-ride world. Nothing older than 5 years. I bought the 10 year old cuz i want to play around. Need to see where i should put real money.

    BE PATIENT and do not get discouraged. Here in town you can actually rent stuff by the week !!! Beg, borrow, steal before you buy...(steal is the joke part :-)

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  3. Hi great site. Have a Dufour, Looks identical to yours so must assume an early board. Acquired it a few years ago from a friend, not had time to work it. The mast is a simple fiber-glass tube with a closed top, but no bottom rigging like in your picture. As yet I have not put this baby in the water. I have no idea of what I am supposed to do, but I do sail dinghy's. Hope it's going to help me. I am now in the Philippines. Good winds (not to strong-most of the time) and warm water. My universal has some cracking around the rubber. You say do not sail with questionable equipment. So can I buy a replacement? And where? Also a question about the Boom tie in? Not to sure what this should look like. Do not have any help locally so must do the learning the hard way. Any beginner pointers would be appreciated. Thanks for the really good site, very interesting. Cebu Stu.

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  4. Hello Cebu Stu:

    Thx for enjoying my windsurf site/blog !!

    No-one has a mast base on thir BIC like mine - i made it custom !!

    If it is the rubber that is cracking - this is normal - ie happens over time. You can buy a replacement over the internet - like- http://www.windsurfingcalgary.com/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=265&=SID
    just search for "windsurf mast base rubber replacement" on google or other search engine

    You are VERY lucky to be in the Philippines :-)

    For the tie-on boom, i provided the following link in the boom section of this website
    http://cid-c6db8ade6b0c768c.office.live.com/view.aspx/Documents/How%20to%20rig%20an%20old%20boom%20with%20the%20wrap.doc

    lotso luck and enjoy !!!
    joe windsurfer

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  5. Hi Joe.

    I am a beginner. Just recently have purchased Dufour. It has two problems.
    1. It does not have centerboard.
    2. Mast base is not fixing in mast holes. The holes do not have clips, pins or anything that can hold the mast base. Just holes with plastic rings.

    Could you advise where it is possible to buy the centerboard. And how to fix the mast holes?

    At this moment I'm going to make a wooden centerboard. Retractable, but not turnable. What size (area) it should be?

    thanks,
    Mark

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  6. Hello Mark:

    Sorry you are having these issues.

    The 2nd issue has already been addressed in this post - use metal cauter pins that fit and are long enuff, butt not too long - see the photo in this post

    The missing centreboard is a bigger issue - pardon the pun. The fact that the original swivels actually allows one to use it at 45 degrees , straight up n down or just swiveled back. I doubt you will find one anywhere, butt perhaps put some posts on various forums - you might get lucky.

    My buddy used to race Dufours and built his own centreboards for speed, butt i have lost contact with him and as such cannot provide more details on that. However, since i have the original in front of me, here are some measurements. In the water it is 23.5 inches/60 cm long, max width is about 7.75 inches/20 cm tapering down to 5 inches/13 cm. The actual shape is shown in this post as well.

    Hope this helps !!!

    GOOD LUCK
    joe windsurfer

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  7. Hi Joe,

    Thanks for answers and
    The thing is that a design of mine board mast base holes is totally different than yours one.
    It looks like if the upper part of yours connector, where the pins inserted is totally cut off leaving just lower rings in place. Actually it is not broken or cut off. It is like that just by its design. There is no place where to insert cauter pins. It is flat plastic ring forming a border of the hole. May be later I'll take a picture.
    So I wander how to fix the mast base to allow it turning. May be it was a vacuum cap there, I am just guessing...
    Also a diameter of the holes is significantly bigger than diameter of the mast base pin, couple of millimeters, to a degree that I could suggest that there should be some sort of adapter plugged into the hole and the mast foot pin plugged into the adapter.

    I'll try to make the centerboard by sizes and the picture provided.

    Thanks!
    Mark

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  8. Mark:

    you can communicate with me directly @ joe_windsurfer@hotmail.com.

    it sounds like the "plug" for the mast base is missing. i have NEVER seen that, butt what do i know. The mast base just needs to jam into the board. It should rotate above that, NOT in the board.

    once again - wishing you lots of luck.

    lesson - make sure ALL the parts are there and working before you purchase a used board. Hope you did NOT pay too much !!

    GOOD LUCK !!
    joe windsurfer

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  9. Hi Joe,
    I found the solution. There is a threaded hole in an end face of the tip of mast base. (On yours one it is just a dead end, no hole). I've found a bolt that fits the threads (M8), and made a thick seal from a rubber bottle stopper. I've put the bolt through the seal and screwed it into the hole. The seal diameter is exactly a diameter of the mast base hole - 1 inch. So when the bolt is not screwed tight the mast base with the seal on its end can be easily inserted into the mast base hole. Then by turning the mast base, the bolt screws into the mast base compressing the seal, causing its diameter to increase and it holds tight inside the mast base hole. Additionally this blocks access of air into the end of the mast base hole, creating a sort of vacuum camera there. so the mast base sits very tight and cannot be pulled out.
    Also I've made a centerboard (not swinging, inserted downward) from a wooden board just for now.
    Thanks,
    Mark

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  10. Mark

    I am EXTREMELY happy that it worked out for you.
    i was starting to get nervous

    butt the big question is - did you sail it yet and how did it go ?? the original sail stinks.

    joe windsurfer

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  11. :) Thanks!
    Yes, I tried to sail. I am a 0 level beginner. Because of this I do not feel any difference in different sails etc... :). I am even not sure if the sail is original. I've got actually two. The smaller and the larger one. Small one is yellow and has number 888 on it.
    I tried the smaller one yesterday at Wasaga Beach. Wind was 4 knots. Today I have pain in entire body :).

    Thanks,
    Mark

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  12. Hi Joe

    Really appreciate this post and your obvious respect for old boards. I remember when the Dufour came out and how hi-tech it was next to the original windsurfer.

    I find myself the new owner of what must be a later model Bic. Same basic shape and technology as the Dufour, but no seam/gunnel around the edge. I use it for stand up paddling, but currently have to have the daggerboard down so as not to roll off with that deep forward section. Not the best choice, but at $35, can't go wrong.

    Question - what's inside underneath the ABS shell? I have gouges through the plastic that must allow water inside. But I can't hear or feel water running around. I am thinking of installing a drain plug in the transom, but if is closed cell foam, there is not much point.

    What do you think?

    Also - a suggestion re cotter pin mast base - reverse one of the two cotter pins so it enters the channel from the opposite direction, then clip or tie the two eyes together and they will never come out.

    Dave

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    1. Another difference - my daggerboard trunk is long. The daggerboard is this goofy swept-forward shape that only begins to look normal once it is raised 45 deg to the stern. Fully retracted it still protrudes a bit like a full keel on an old-timey yacht. It must protect that tiny, flimsy fin and kind of reminds me of the F14 Tomcat jet fighters with the variably swept wing tips. (I'm being a bit charitable there) Dave

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  13. It is my understanding that the BIC Dufours were made out of ABS. Not sure whether they are hollow or have some kind of foam inside. They are not as easy to repair as the newer epoxy fiberglass/carbon boards. As marked in the discussion, I have repaired this board using SolarEZ. This resin cures quickly in the sun and bonds to all the boards I have fixed. For fins I use MarineTex epoxy.

    Yes, the centre dagger board of later Dufours was a bit weird. The dagger cannot fully retract becuz the wimpy fin in the back does NOT work alone. Try it and you will see.

    joe windsurfer

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  14. Hey Joe,
    I'm looking for a smaller sail for my Dufour, I have the 6.30m. I live in an area where there are always high winds at the local lakes.

    I saw your post on another site that you are looking for a bigger sail for your Dufour, but didnt understand all the Tech Talk with sizes and weights of boards.

    Do they even sell sails that fit the defour??

    Thanks for keeping this classic sail board alive in your blog!!

    Lisa in Lebec, Ca

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    1. Lisa in Lebec:

      On the map looks like Castac Lake is the closest.
      Here I now use my BIC Dufour for "newbies" - usually with a 3.0 or 4.0 sail.
      This is for training and NOT high winds.
      The smallest sail I personally used on this board was a 7-oh, butt then again I weigh 220/100kilos.
      Also did not like the board if winds got too high.
      Then I prefer to plane with a newer board n sail.
      But you do what you gotta do - to get TOW/time on water.
      There is actually a movement back to the DIV 2 boards like the BIC Dufour.
      Do they make sails for the Dufour ?
      They make sails for longboar racing, but they are large. Just need a sail that allows a tighter leech at the top of the sail.
      ENJOY

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    2. There are actually a few lakes;
      Pyramid Lake (10 miles)
      Cataic Lake (30 miles)
      Buena Vista Lake (30 miles)
      Lake Isabella (60 miles)(Extremely windy)

      Ok That makes total sense that the Defour is used for a training board (perfect for that). I guess I will have to sell it or invest in a smaller one and keep this one for teaching my friends and possibly using the board for a Paddle Board!

      Thanks again I will keep in touch!!!

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  15. Hi, Joe. I like your blog. Great encyclopedic information.

    One comment: please, if you're going to use my pictures, make sure to credit me. I don't mind you using them. I might have even missed an e-mail you sent me asking for permission. That would be my fault. But in the spirit of aloha, make sure you credit where you got your pictures. That's the best thing to do for all the pictures you use on your blog except for the ones you take or make yourself.

    Incidentally, I only stumbled upon this by accident. I was doing a search for “Bic Wing”. Bic is coming out with a new SUP called the “Wing” and I got directed here. I'm not the kind of dude to go searching for this stuff.

    Best of luck!

    -Ian

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    1. guess we can consider you credited then ?
      you make no mention of which images i "stole"

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  16. Hi,

    just came across your site because it mentions the BIC Samba. I learned to windsurf on the Samba some 15 years ago, but I took a 12 year "vacation" from the sport, so the board was lying in the garage for a long while. After picking up windsurfing again last year I got myself some new freeride gear which I enjoy, but just yesterday I took the old Samba to a lake to teach my girlfriend how to windsurf. I also took it for a spin myself: It still is fun in light winds. But what's more: I found out that it also makes for a usable flatwater SUP. Paddled it (with a proper SUP paddle) for 45min without falling into the water once. That, and the fact that my girlfriend seems to be enjoying it as a learning tool means that the Samba is totally back to life :)
    Just thought I'd share this...
    gxxr

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  17. Joe, the images I mentioned were the ones with the Kona windsurfer and the Bic.

    You should always credit the source of every picture you use, unless you took it. It's like when you're using sources for a school paper. You always make it clear in the paper where you got your facts. That's the best practice.

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    1. Well, i give up
      tried and tried to find those images on your blogs and cannot :-(
      perhaps you can put their link here - in order to be credited ??

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    2. i do NOT want to appear insensitive to your "issue". as an amateur photographer, i donut post pics on the internet that i don't want to share. one can put information in pics - too bad that doesn't get carried over when one does cut n pastes. what people are doing now is putting information on the pic like web address or name.
      thanx 4 understanding !

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    3. I appreciate the effort. I actually took that blog down because I'm no longer windsurfing and am now just standup paddling.

      I don't mind sharing, BTW. You're right that people who post pictures on the web should expect a certain amount of sharing, but with that make sure you credit the photographer.

      Very good information in your blog.

      peekskillpaddler.blogspot.com

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  18. thanks for the footnote lesson...
    when i started this blog, i had NO idea how or if it would be popular.
    posts and pics since your comment have been credited and as i mentioned - with your comments - you have been credited
    hope this is acceptable to you and anyone else i have offended :-)

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  20. :-) I have a Bic Dufour '81 and an 80's Bic Windsurfer in my garage (with the rig). I live in front of the St-Lawrence in Pointe aux trembles. I was planing to learn windsurfing on them this summer but I ended up just Paddle surfing them. Learning rigging on them seemed a bit complex. I was wondering about learning with a new Chinook Glide Rig package (Izzy sail) but keeping the boards. These old boards seem almost as recent as the one in the windsurfing classes I took in Magog (which di not involve much teaching but were more like a windsurf board rental) ! Do you think it is worth it for me to try to learn on them with a new sail ? The boards were great for Paddle Surfing with a friend as they are very buoyant, especially the Windsurfer which has a flatter bottom.

    If someone want to give them a try, I would be interested in seeing them in action. andreanester@gmail.com

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  21. Nice Blog...
    i think i will start one soon,..

    i m from the west coast of France,, SAINT MALO and a long time windsurfer,,,,
    i live on the Mtl island for a while and still have an Exocet funboard., looking to add another one next spring
    i used to sail on a dufour wing, dufour sun , crit D2,... then the funboard got me forever
    but,, for spring,, i m going to buy a open class division 2 for the light wind,,,,,
    i think i ll use it at st anne de bellevue (saint louis lake)...

    nice blog,, keep going...

    Fab

    fabrice.vimond@gmail.com

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  22. Wow this was an informative and interesting site-nice job!
    Joel Nasby

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  23. Nice blog, reminded me of days way back.
    I never owned a 1-st generation BIC myself, but a few years now there is one left by a friend at my house. This summer with his permission (he had forgotten all about it) I am thinking of getting it back to the water. The board is in OK condition and I have most of the original accessories (boom, mast, sail, dagger-board, fin, some need some minor repair work). However there is one very important component missing, the rig-base (the part that secures the sail into the board. I doubt I will find one, and I dont even remember how it was. Still I am thinking of improvising and trying to build one. Any suggestions?
    Best regards and greetings from Greece.
    V.

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  24. Hey V.

    You must have read this post too quickly...
    There are pictures here of the mast base and also the slot where it goes showing how metal cauter pins work with the original base. If you were to provision one, you basically want something to attach to a modern mast base, fit into the slot and have an indented ring where the pins with retain the manufactured part.
    HOPE THAT HELPS
    LOTSA LUCK
    Hope to get out your way one day :-)
    Hear nothing but good things about Greece !!!

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  25. I just picked up a BIC Wing from a distant relative’s junkyard, south of Wilkes-Barre, PA, presumably not too far from the home of Newman Darby, occasionally cited as the inventor of sailboarding. I have to admit I learned just about everything I know about this board from your blog. The sail is pretty ugly with plenty of stains. The fin is broken off to a 3-inch stub, and I figure the mast join will break the first time I use it. Did I mention I’ve never windsurfed? Just a lot of kayaking. Anyway, I am writing to thank you for your blog and to ask about the centerboard. I’ve built a full-size cardboard template from your drawing. It pivots nicely in the slot, and I can see where to drill a hole and fasten a line to keep it in the retracted position, up against the bottom of the hull. It’s easy enough to fasten a line to a different point for a 45 degree angle, but how does someone fully extend the centerboard? I am guessing the pivot guides or tracks inside the rear of the well are part of the solution.

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    1. to fully extend the center-board one pushes the "handle" all the way to the back. it is then approximately 90 degrees to the board. i can send photos. also, you are about 2 hours from Wantagh, NY. I could send it down there in July and you could look at it. Let me know...
      joe_windsurfer@hotmail.com

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  26. Hi Joe,

    I am in South Africa and we also have the same BIC Wing, but my parents only used is back in the 80's and 90's. We had an accident while transporting the windsurfer and the mast completely broke into pieces...

    I am a student now and I'm looking to get the old thing running again. I only need a mast and the universal joint... I'll probably be able to get a new mast or maybe get somebody here in South Africa to make one but I don't know where to get the universal joint... Could you maybe help me with that?

    Regards,
    Uwe

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    1. Wie geht's Uwe ?

      As you see here, this is NO ordinary mast base/universal joint here. I once tossed away a BIC Samba because the base broke (and board was water logged). They sell BIC Dufours here regularly. Perhaps post on some forums if someone could sell and ship you one. Usually what i do is become a "master of ingenuity" :-)
      Example: find a way to pour a mold from the "hole".
      make a negative from this and make a fresh base adding parts from a modern base.
      NOT as easy as it sounds, but do-able.
      On the other hand, I have purchased old boards for $100 to $200 and that may be an easier solution.
      Often times they even come with old masts n sails
      In any case
      LOTSA LUCK and keep us informed !!
      joe windsurfer

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    2. Hi Joe, geht sehr gut danke.. :)

      Guess what..? I found a universal joint and a spare one as well...!!
      Now I've got a problem with the mast... The guy I thought could make one says its too complex of a mission and won't be worth it... He says I should rather look for a new/second hand one...
      Would it be a problem if the mast was 10 or 15cm too long?
      Have no idea where to find a new mast...

      Regards,
      Uwe

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  27. old one piece mast?
    sometimes sails have a loop at top to allow tip to go through
    other times people have cut 10 to 15 cm - from the TOP

    Viel Glueck dabei !!

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    1. Ah thanks I only see this reply now...

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  28. Hi Joe, geht sehr gut danke.. :)

    Guess what?! I found a universal joint and an extra one as well...
    Now I've got another problem... The guy I thought could maybe make me a new mast says its too complicated and not worth it... So I'm looking for a new or second hand mast but with no success so far..
    Do you think it would be a problem if the mast was 10 or 15 cm too long?

    Regards,
    Uwe

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    1. Uwe:

      NOT sure how I missed your question...
      in any case ...
      some sails have an "opening" at the mast cap
      if the mast can be extended only at top and not bottom = BEST
      usually we adjust at bottom with mast extension
      sometimes one has to "make do"

      viel Glück dabei
      joe windsurfer

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  29. I replaced the clips broken of the mast base connector with stainless Steel. I don't know how to post the pictures but i think it will be interesting.

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    1. yes, that is a solution - cotter pins are discussed earlier in the comments and work well

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  30. Great post - really enjoyed reading it. I have a BIC from the early 80's and my son was just riding last weekend and broke the mast base / universal joint. Any ideas where I might be able to find a replacement? I notice one of your readers above found a couple, but he/she didn't say where. Thanks!

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    1. Hello Jim:

      Assuming you mean just the rubber universal joint ...
      http://www.windance.com/Chinook-Euro-Pin-Top-Rubber-WSWP4297/
      http://images.nitrosell.com/product_images/14/3446/chinook-euro-pin-top-rubber.jpg
      they are available at local windsurf shops, on-line and often e-bay
      GOOD LUCK

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    2. Thanks for the quick response! I think that should be it - I'll give it a shot.

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    3. hardest part is taking it apart
      may need to do some cutting :-(

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  31. two movies of my and my Dufour Wing:
    https://youtu.be/oSGlD0VuDkA
    https://youtu.be/tu-MU9EjCPo

    Greetings from the Netherlands, Michel

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  32. Do you know where i get this old mast base to my bic board. i have board where is two red place to mast base. Greetings from Finland, Mika

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    1. maybe you can buy this one and pay shipping ??
      i could buy the rest ad fellow would be happy

      http://www.kijiji.ca/v-autres-sports/sherbrooke-qc/planche-a-voile-bic-dufour/1169760124?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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    2. OR I could get and you pay me $40 + shipping and I get free replacement board :-)

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  33. Lost mast base for 1984 Dufour Wing. Any suggestions for getting a replacement? Thank you. dft

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  34. Hello Joe Windsurfer and readers. I still have a Bic Dufour Wing I bought back in '83 when I lived in Oregon. Thirty-three years later I still sail it near my home on the west coast of Canada.

    The board looks a bit different. The deck got slippery so I painted on a grey non-slip product. The original sail wasn't very high tech. I eventually got a better sail with battens and shortened the booms a bit to fit the sail. I lost the original straight dagger board and got the next version that swivels up against the board bottom. I found the back fin too small, replaced it with larger fin. No fancy rigging, I still tie the booms to the mast with a bit of line. I did add a small pulley to the back end of the boom to assist in pulling the clew taught. Somehow I managed to preserve the plastic pins that lock the mast foot in the board.

    I take my Dufour Wing to the water a few times each summer.It is harder now ( I'm 66 ) but its still great fun.



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  35. Hi Joe great blog. I have had my Dufour Wing since 1981 when I bought it to race in Australia. At that time there were many Dufours racing division 1 as well as against the original one design windsurfer. You would be happy to know that I am still sailing it and the only thing I have changed is the boom and one mast (apart from replacing a few universals and harness lines). My son (aged 15) has been sailing since he was aged 8 on many classes (now 16ft skiff), however this Christmas break he wanted to learn to Windsurf and out came the old board for its 36 summer and he is loving the Dufour Wing. As you said it can tack and gybe easier than other boards however at age 53 its getting harder to lift on and off the car (always been a heavy board). Anyway thanks for the posts. Cheers Paul

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    1. Thank you Paul for the kind words. As noted, I received my BIC Dufour 10+ years later than when you started racing and am still riding one up "@ the chalet". Unfortunately NONE of my three older children got the bug. One almost did when his girlfriend showed an interest. Too bad the modern world is not ready for "good, old fashioned fun." Seems it is all about the speed and adrenaline rush, but the pendulum has started to swing back ...
      Take Care and Enjoy

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  36. I still use my Dufour from the early 80s. Note that it's a Dufour with red seam -- contradicting your comment that red seams mean Bic. Thanks for the tip about the cotter pin, in 2016 I broke my first lock gidget (still have three to go)

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  37. Hey Joe! Great Blog! I'm fairly new to the sport, have the similar Bic 250, very close to the Defoe wing. IV finally been able to do directions and make it back to the beach on a small lake. But I'm already wanting something faster and sleeker. I'm 5'11 and 225 pounds. What's the next step? I'm having trouble finding what newer board would suit me? Any help or directions in finding the right equipment would be much appreciated! Thank you!

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    1. You have already given some important information. Heavy weight sailor on a small lake - like me. I still use longboards on the lake, but racier ones. This is my favourite combo on smaller and larger lakes. Mistral Equipe One or Two with a lighter large sail - this one HotSailsMaui SpeedFreak 8.5.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDAJxD7rm9E
      If you have more questions or want to discuss more just e-mail me directly - joe_windsurfer@hotmail.com.
      Good Winds
      joe

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  38. My profile photo is a shot of my Dufourwing at rest last summer. I had sailed it across a kilometer and a half of ocean to a nearby island and took a photo looking back toward my own island home. Still fun after 35 years.

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    1. nice - send me a full size and i'll "publish" it here :-)

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